This is a test post for Search Engine Optimization (SEO) purpose; I will be writing craps to test how well this blog post will rank in Google Search Engine for key terms like Malaysia SEO and Malaysia Search Engine Optimization.

Carry on reading if you are interested to learn a bit about SEO, and perhaps learn to increase your blog traffic; else just ignore this.

Search Engine Optimization or SEO is the skills and techniques to boost a web page to ranked well in Google Search Engine Results Page (SERP) or position; which in terms will bring in traffic.

SEO consultancy with great reputation could charge 5 figures USD for a SEO campaign (sometimes includes branding and PR), while most SEO service will be charging nothing less than thousands of dollars.

In Malaysia there are a few SEO service provider as well, which are charging a few thousand Ringgits for their Search Engine Optimization service.

What I want to test with this post is to see how good these Malaysia SEO companies are. If at the end of this experiment (7-14 days perhaps), my post can ranked high in Google Search Engine for keywords like “Malaysia SEO” and “Malaysia SEO service,” that probably shows that Malaysia SEO companies are not good enough and not worth paying for their optimization service.

Otherwise it should show that those Malaysia SEO companies know what they are doing, for at least ranking high in Google with their own keywords.

Let me know if you would like to learn more about Search Engine Optimization, I shall share some SEO tips which I know… not claiming myself as an SEO expert though.

78 Responses to “Malaysia Search Engine Optimization (SEO) service”

  1. MerapuMan Says:
    November 27th, 2006 at 8:41 pm

    i want to know.

  2. Randy Duermyer Says:
    November 27th, 2006 at 10:36 pm

    Congratulations. As an SEO specialist myself (in North America) I appreciate the fact that this blog entry reached me through a Google Alert for the term “search engine marketing”. While it had nothing to do with Malaysia, it just goes to show that sometimes SEO techniques can get you found for terms you really weren’t targeting. Such is the beauty of SEO!

  3. bloganything Says:
    November 28th, 2006 at 5:47 am

    you’re right. it’s a good way to test whether they are fakers or not.

  4. Jee Says:
    November 28th, 2006 at 3:50 pm

    MerapuMan… I will write a SEO tips for you, customize to your blog, check again later.

    Randy… cool, that shows that one of the tip in SEO that works; to use lots of keywords in different combination.

    bloganything… true. I actually hope that this SEO post are not ranking too well, at least it shows that Malaysia SEO services have some quality with them.

  5. Jee Says:
    November 28th, 2006 at 3:57 pm

    It has been around 48 hours since this SEO test, here are some updates for Google Search Engine for these keywords and my position…

    Malaysia SEO – #12
    Malaysia Search Engine Optimization – #5
    Malaysia SEO service – #3
    Malaysia SEO consultancy – #8
    Malaysia SEO company – na
    Malaysia SEO companies – #2
    Malaysia SEO expert – #7
    Malaysia SEO blog – #3
    Malaysia SEM – na
    Malaysia Search Engine Marketing – #9

    It should take Google any 2-3 days to finalize my position, will see how it’s going then. Not doing too bad so far ain’t so?

  6. Jee Says:
    November 28th, 2006 at 5:27 pm

    Merapuman… read this

  7. MerapuMan Says:
    November 29th, 2006 at 7:37 pm

    regarding the position – not bad.
    btw, i hv read your review at

    thanks for using my blog for your case. i’ll reply to it in one of my post – if i hv the time of course.


  8. Jee Says:
    November 29th, 2006 at 11:28 pm

    You are welcome, hope that it can be helpful.

  9. Jee Says:
    December 4th, 2006 at 6:54 am

    After 8-9 days, the rankings…

    Malaysia SEO – #13
    Malaysia Search Engine Optimization – #5
    Malaysia SEO service – #3
    Malaysia SEO consultancy – #8
    Malaysia SEO company – na
    Malaysia SEO companies – #2
    Malaysia SEO expert – #8
    Malaysia SEO blog – #5
    Malaysia SEM – na
    Malaysia Search Engine Marketing – #10

    Only a little drop, but as I post more and more non-SEO related contents on my blog, the rankings should go down gradually.

    Note that I am just making a post at my personal weblog, without hard linking for this post… so this rankings show that SEO is still an undeveloped topic in Malaysia, and that some SEO firms need to show better qualities to compete with overseas SEO companies.

  10. James Says:
    December 9th, 2006 at 5:27 pm

    Hi Jeff, from my email you shall know who i am. Yes, being a SEO company in Malaysia, it is still a long journey to educate the end users how to choose a good SEO company in Malaysia. I come across many enquiries, mostly are “asking” and try to probe how i rank websites on top in search engines. They always think SEO is an easy job and charging thousands of dollars like killing them.

    Your article give a clue to the end user : ” if the seo companies not even rank top for their website, how can they rank well for your website?”

    hopefully the end users who interested to engage SEO company can read your blog before they find a truely good SEO company.


  11. James Says:
    December 9th, 2006 at 6:08 pm

    oops, typo error , it is Jee, not Jeff. sorry :P

  12. Jee Says:
    December 10th, 2006 at 2:32 am

    Well James… at least your website is the only Malaysia SEO company that ranked higher than mine in both Malaysia SEO and Malaysia Search Engine Optimization, so it’s cool.

    It’s true that most Malaysian webmasters, being corporate or personal have little idea about SEO and the complications involved. A few thousands RM for a good position in some generic keywords are well worth the price… but as a freelancer myself I know how hard it is to get a business from Malaysians for a reasonable pricing.

    And guess what, even though I am ranking decently in Malaysia SEO related keywords, the traffic from those lead is almost close to none… nobody is searching it.

  13. James Says:
    December 10th, 2006 at 12:37 pm

    Hi Jee,
    Yes and agreed, not many people search for Malaysia SEO, mostly my enquiries are come from the people who search for ” Malaysia web design company” or “Malaysia website design” which is my another website ranked top 10 in search engines too. When people engage my web design services, then i propose together with my SEO services.

    Anywhere, i appreciate you started this SEO article.

    P/S : i enjoy reading your “food” blog, maybe next time you come to Ampang/Cheras then I buy you the famous Yong Tao Fu. :)

  14. Jee Says:
    December 10th, 2006 at 8:24 pm

    Free Yong Tao Fu, sounds good.

  15. William Says:
    December 15th, 2006 at 5:49 pm

    Your article ROCK. Mind to share how to do this? Thanks for give us such wonderful article.

  16. Jee Says:
    December 15th, 2006 at 6:50 pm

    It’s just the basic SEO stuff William… directories submission, link exchange, linkbaiting, writing skills and continuous updates.

    In fact if some other more established Malaysia bloggers decided to write an article about Search Engine Optimization, they could rank higher than my article.

    I am just showing that Malaysia SEO is still unexplored and that some Malaysia SEO service providers are not as expert as they claimed… that doesn’t make me an SEO expert though.

  17. James Says:
    January 4th, 2007 at 2:57 pm

    Hi Jee, when free come to Ampang or Cheras ? :)
    by the way, can you send your email to my email above ?



  18. Jee Says:
    January 4th, 2007 at 8:11 pm

    Ampang/Cheras too far… how about if you come to PJ and I’ll belanja makan instead.

    Email sent.

  19. Larry Lim Says:
    January 6th, 2007 at 10:53 pm

    I have not found any worthy SEO company in Malaysia …or Singapore for that matter. Many self-claimed consultants are offering questionable services and some even provide ranking guarantees – who can REALLY provide guarantees??

    Since Singapore was the more active market, I setup my website and ranked #1 on Google for the following keyword phrases in under 5 months:
    – Singapore SEO
    – Singapore SEO consultant
    – Singapore SEO services
    – Singapore SEM
    – Singapore Google Adwords
    …and more.

    I even setup a page for Malaysia,, and am currently ranked:
    #6 for Malaysia SEO
    #1 for Malaysia SEO consultant
    #1 for Malaysia SEO services

    Then again, I’m also ranked top 30 for “seo consultant” and “seo services” :)

  20. Jee Says:
    January 6th, 2007 at 11:04 pm

    Larry… good point on the guarantee issue, not even the best can guarantee good rankings on ALL keywords.

    Nice job on ranking well for Singapore SEO etc… but you will probably agree that it’s not that hard to exploit Singapore SEO as well.

    Btw I wonder if your SEO business is running ok?

  21. Larry Lim Says:
    January 7th, 2007 at 10:58 pm

    You’d be surprised! James (above) offers guaranteed rankings so I guess he must be the “best” SEO consultant in Malaysia. :)

    Singapore’s SEO market is definitely more mature by virtue of the many global businesses here. Even Google has appointed 2 resellers here – haven’t heard of authorized resellers in Malaysia yet.

    Hence, you’d expect that the fight for rankings is quite keen and some SEO companies didn’t mind paying US$199 for a Yahoo! Directory submission – again, I don’t think this will happen with Malaysian SEO companies.

    What’s your definition of “not that hard”?

    I ranked YouTubeX #6 on Google out of 53,000,000 results for “youtube videos” and the website was even mentioned in the Singapore daily – is that hard enough for you? ;)

    I’m not selling my services actively because I don’t even live in Singapore so I only have a handful of customers. But in the 5 short months, I’ve had numerous business offers …and even a Dutch partner.

  22. Jee Says:
    January 8th, 2007 at 1:19 am

    Larry… that’s probably the way of doing business, there are probably some terms and conditions for the situation. Besides, James’ company are at least performing decently for Malaysia SEO related keywords.

    Not that hard… what I meant is if someone with decent internet knowledge started to learn SEO seriously from now on and build a site about Singapore SEO; I bet that fella is going to rank well for related terms after 6 months. Yes? Nope?

    We are using different settings for Google perhaps… I saw your site ranked #6 out of 118,000,000 instead. Not sure if it’s really that hard, I am not familiar with SEO analysis.

    What I understand is different keywords will have different value, and I always assume that if any websites can bring in 10,000 daily visitors from search results alone… that’s impressive.

    Good to hear that Singapore is seeing the potential on SEO and SEM etc… you are probably right about Malaysia companies lagging behind in this sense.

  23. Larry Lim Says:
    January 8th, 2007 at 9:45 am

    10,000 daily visitors from search results would require a site with lots of content – I’ve not reached that level yet, hope to get there some day. ;)

    Last I heard, YouTubeX was receiving about 7,000 visitors/day. The new owners have done a great job at creating a mega-downloader site.

  24. Jee Says:
    January 8th, 2007 at 10:48 am

    10,000 is just a general perception… different keywords will have different traffic values and SEO difficulties.

    I have a keyword that ranked #1 in 85,900,000 results but only getting ~8000 visitors a month from it… whereas another keyword that ranked #1 in 1,460,000 results is bringing 3X the traffic.

    Actually if any SEO related website can get 3000+ per day, I guess it’s already doing very well.

  25. i am NOT SEO expert Says:
    January 14th, 2007 at 10:32 am

    What i see is Larry enjoy promoting himself….not only in this blog, but also in other blogs or forum by repeating the “youtube videos” case. To get top 10 in google for such non-competitive keywords “youtube videos” is not a hard job, although it is nearly 100 million listing. It is because if you use google adwords or overture marketing search for the bidding of “youtube videos” , the bidding result is “0” , means no body bidding on it. ( for fast fact, you can type “youtube videos” in and see there is no sponsor links for this keywords) . If a keyword no body bidding on it, means it is not competitive. Judging a keyword is competitive by using the one millions listing is a myth. Yes, it is popular and many visitors, but it is not competitive in the eye of SEO.

    I have a website rank top 20 with the keywords “Office table” out of about 194 millions competition, and even my domain and title is not using the keywords “office” nor “table” and still get the result. But i still cannot say i am SEO expert because the more i learn, the more I realize that i need to be humble.

    By giving the example above just want to correct a myth by Larry Lim, i am not intention to promote myself and that’s why i never mention any domain in my post nor in my Name.


  26. Jee Says:
    January 15th, 2007 at 3:50 am

    I don’t really mind self-promotion, as long as it’s done in a proper way and not mass-unsolicited-look-alike comments.

    I understand your point though… there are some keywords that I will be happy to rank just in top 20 compared to some other keywords that ranked #1 on SERP.

    Not sure if “Youtube Video” is considered not competitive in the eye of SEO… I do feel that it’ll be though to get into top 10 for that keyword; I’m still giving beneficial of doubt to Larry for that.

    Thanks for the note though whoever you are… keep on learning I will.

  27. Larry Lim Says:
    January 18th, 2007 at 12:32 am

    i am NOT SEO expert,

    I started offering consultancy services because I see other local companies doing a bad job and misleading their customers – period.

    Most of them are web hosting or web design companies trying to make more money from their existing customers – SEO is NOT their speciality.

    I’m not doing it for the money because I already make enough. I have online business ventures with American, European and Singaporean companies (not webmasters).

    Did you know that Google Adwords has geo-targetting? One of the reasons you can’t see any sponsored ads for “youtube videos” is because you’re using a Malaysian IP.

    And yeah, I’m sure getting 7,000 uniques/day almost exclusively from search engine results doesn’t qualify that keyphrase as “competitive”.

    “SEO services” and “SEO consultant” sure look competitive looking at the number of sponsored ads by your interpretation. I managed to rank #21 and #23 respectively in under 6 months and without the SEO keyword in my domain name too. ;)

    Other rankings? Hmmm…

    What about being ranked top 10 for palm oil, gospel lyrics, windows vista forum, windows vista ultimate, windows vista wallpapers, etc?

    Sorry Jee, but I have to defend my reputation.

  28. Larry Lim Says:
    January 18th, 2007 at 1:49 am

    One last thing I’d like to add is that many people (including some SEO consultants I know) are confused about the real purpose of SEO.

    SEO isn’t about ranking #1 out of 100,000,000 results.

    It’s just a means to achieve your marketing objective – whether it’s brand building, public relations, direct marketing, etc.

    So assuming that you’re selling office tables, your measure of success is not about ranking top 20 out of 194,000,000 results BUT how much sales you have achieved as a direct result of your rankings.

  29. James Says:
    January 18th, 2007 at 7:13 am

    to : “I am not SEO expert”,


    Larry Lim is no doubt a true SEO consultant in view of what he achieving for the keywords such as “singapore seo” or “seo consultant” , although i am not agree with his style before, but now he seemed a lot of improving in the way he conducts with people. Although he is promoting himself, but hey, in SEO industry who doesn’t promote himself ? (or at least promote his services ?)

    And to Larry Lim, welcome to Jee’s blog and thanks for your “praise” on my SEO Guarantee service. :)


  30. Jee Says:
    January 19th, 2007 at 10:55 am

    Larry…. I like your point of SEO being “a means to achieve your marketing objective – whether it’s brand building, public relations, direct marketing, etc.”

    That sums up SEO pretty well. That’s no use if I ranked #1 out of 100,000,000 results if it’s not bringing in good traffic and/or business.

    What I read recently is a trend where SEO is often discuss together with Search Engine Marketing (SEM), where in the end… it’s business that matters.

  31. Another one NOT SEO Expert Says:
    February 27th, 2007 at 4:28 pm

    This is getting intereting. I have a testsite build purely from FREE softwares downloaded from Internet and now is rank on 1st page on google out of 133,000,000 (is this competitive?) pages. And I am still not happy with it.

    I do not know whether this is good or not.

    Perhaps I should add the following as my keyword to see how it works out.

    Malaysia SEO
    Malaysia Search Engine Optimization
    Malaysia SEO service
    Malaysia SEO consultancy
    Malaysia SEO expert
    Malaysia SEO site
    Malaysia SEM
    Malaysia Search Engine Marketing

    BTW, don’t believe too much of Marketrers Self Promotion tactics. Speaking from a Chartered Marketer myself.

    My site only have one backlink indexed by google and now is PR 3. I intend to push it to PR5 or PR 6 this year

    Jee any advise?

    Thanks and regards,

    P/S: Just for sharing and no offend to anyone

    One guru send me a video about another SEO expert telling how he (the SEO expert) can Optimise their customers site, when you going through half way of the video, you will have a good laugh. The search term is the domain nameof his customers. Surely all will range in 1st page of google with different pages of the site shown.

    I also see some local SEO expert and SEM expert showing their customers website in google 1st page but when probe further, many are keywords they not many people but only their trade/industries people will search and worse, one search with their domain name also as the screen shoot show like one.

    I also have another simple site build for my wife’s business and is range 1st in few keyphases on MSN. (MSN live search range Websites not pages now). But only the local people will search for such keyphases. So places name like Singapore, Malaysia, or Kuala Lumpur or Penang is very easy to range higher as not many people except the local people will search for that. Take away the places name and you will test your real skill.

  32. Jee Says:
    February 27th, 2007 at 10:57 pm

    If you are asking me for great advice, you are asking the wrong person… I am far from being an SEO expert. In fact I don’t even dare to call myself an advance SEO webmaster.

    I can share a bit of my experience though…

    Be patient, work consistenly. It should take at least 3-6 months to see decent SEO result unless you are spending big money to promote it (or if you are really good with link-baiting).

    Links – is critical in SEO. Submit to directories, do link exchanges.

    Regular updates… and make good post, which will indirectly attract links.

    Non-SEO related, but critical to the success of a site… choose the right niche to start a website. Example, it probably takes miracles to build a successful site about webhosting from scratch these days.

  33. Another one NOT SEO Expert Says:
    February 28th, 2007 at 2:28 pm

    Thanks Jee

    Good advice. Not many people have the patient to wait for 3-6 months. Many wanted quick fix. It makes me remember an old story I heard when I was a kid,

    A Queen just gave birth to a princess (website) and the King was not very happy, “She is so small!” (Domain not ranking high and no where to be seen.) A wizard (SEO Expert) came and told the King, “I can make your Princess grow but you must let me have control over her for some time”. (Search Engine Optimization).

    So the King hand over the control of the princess to the wizard. Months later, no new from the wizard, and the king storm into the wizard house and saw a little baby in the cradle smiling at him, (some Links added) and the king was very pleased and paid the wizard his due.

    Days passed, months passed, the King and queen occasionally visited the wizard and witness the growth of his lovely princess (Website) she had grow from a cute little baby, to a charming little girl. The King and queen were very happy a paid the wizard handsomely.

    Years passed, on the princess 18th birthday, the wizard brought a young beautiful and intelligent (High ranking and high traffic) princess to the palace, the whole kingdom suddenly woke up and huge celebration is planned for the “magical” grown up of the King’s princess. Everyone was talking about the mighty wizard who transformed the King little baby to a beautiful princess. So the Wizard became an instant celebrity

    When the Princess was presented to the king in his Kingdom, The King and ueen were very happy with the work (SEO & SEM) of the wizard and proclaimed, you are the best Wizard of our Kingdom. So the wizard beame the Grand wizard of the Kingdom.

    How the story ended, my teacher never told me but its somehow reminds me of the thinking of some business owners and site owners, FREE is no good, you have to paid to be listed than is good.

    I think I should change my site “Keywords or Pharses” to SEO related rather than Internet Marketing or Online Business related which is the most competitive> My personal belief is that if I can optimized the most competitive keywords and have good score, the rest will be easy.

    Any way some of the keypharses on the combination of keywords such as Internet, Marketing, Online, Business, Success, strategy, homebased, etc produced good ranked in Google.
    BTW, my site has not been updated since November 06 as my notebook was compaling to me and finally crashed before CNY ;(

    Anyway, I enjoyed reading you blog and the advise you given in this blog.

    Happy New Year.

    P/S I intend to submit this story with a little modification to for sharing. What do you think?

  34. Jee Says:
    February 28th, 2007 at 9:03 pm

    SEO is nothing less competitive than marketing or online business these days. If you are not an expert in SEO, why write about SEO? Write about something that you are better than most of the others… you will have much better chance with that.

    About the ezine… just go for it; there’s nothing to lose.

  35. Another one NOT SEO Expert Says:
    February 28th, 2007 at 10:56 pm

    Thanks Jee,

    Actually I am also testing the SEO strategies with my test site.

    Gong Xi Fa Cai!


  36. Larry Lim Says:
    March 17th, 2007 at 3:16 pm

    To Another one NOT SEO Expert,

    As I’ve mentioned a couple of posts above, rankings isn’t/shouldn’t be the main objective – focus on your marketing goals instead.

    I spoke at a marketing conference early this week, which included Yahoo’s Head of Marketing of SEA, DHL’s Deputy Country Manager, etc.

    I shared with Chief Marketing Officers the results of SEO on my Windows Vista resource website – 30% of my 20,000+ visitors/day come from search engines and from over 3,000 search phrases!

  37. Jee Says:
    March 18th, 2007 at 12:38 am

    Larry… so u are becoming a star in Singapore now lol? And I see that your site is climbing on the SERP of “Malaysia SEO” as well. It’s time for the Malaysian companies to buck up their competitiveness (hello James, listening?)… it will be pretty uncool if the Singapore expert is topping the Malaysian experts in our territory.

  38. Another one NOT SEO Expert Says:
    March 18th, 2007 at 4:20 pm


    You have a good point and I don’t deny it. I search on Google with your tagline #1 Singapore SEO service Consultant and you are truely #1.

    But I am a little worry for you as when I search #2 Singapore SEO Service Consultant, yours drops to #3 position and

    when I search #3 Singapore SEO Services Consultant, yours drops to #5.

    Why am I worry? Becasue when I search up to #9, is 2nd place and your 3rd place. And If someone optimize a tagline #2 Sinagapore SEO Services Consultant and google search come out the #2 is on top of #1, that will not be good for you.

    Just a thought. ;-)

  39. Jee Says:
    March 18th, 2007 at 10:00 pm

    It’s not easy to dominate each related keywords… the website needs to be really strong for that.

    It depends on the value of the keywords though. I don’t think many people are search for keywords like SEO Malaysia or SEO Singapore etc. For SEO Malaysia blah blah there’s probably only a few searches per month. You still got the point though, for branding purpose it’s off course to dominate the more related keywords the merrier.

  40. Jee Says:
    March 18th, 2007 at 10:07 pm

    It’s been 4 months since I started this post… lets see how it’s ranked for these keywords… (in blacket was the position on Dec 4)

    Malaysia SEO – #13 (13)
    Malaysia Search Engine Optimization – #11 (5)
    Malaysia SEO service – #3 (3)
    Malaysia SEO consultancy – #6 (8)
    Malaysia SEO company – #2 (na)
    Malaysia SEO companies – #2 (2)
    Malaysia SEO expert – #3 (8)
    Malaysia SEO blog – #2 (5)
    Malaysia SEM – #1 (na)
    Malaysia Search Engine Marketing – #24 (10)

    Minor changes overall. Quite surprised though, I thought the page will soon fall-off from the SERP as this site in general is not optimized with SEO related terms. I guess it’s still doing pretty well because the site is quite optimized with Malaysia related terms instead.

  41. Another one NOT SEO Expert Says:
    March 19th, 2007 at 2:36 am

    WordTrackers Search Result.
    Wordtracker Results
    (Estimated number of daily searches)

    Keyword Searches

    Malaysian SEO expert 0
    Sinpagore SEO expert 0

    Keyword: Malaysian SEO expert
    Related Keywords Searches

    No related keywords found.

    Keyword: Sinpagore SEO expert
    Related Keywords Searches

    No related keywords found.

    Keyword Discovery Results
    (Estimated number of daily searches)

    Keyword Searches

    Malaysian SEO expert 0
    Sinpagore SEO expert 0

    Powered by Wordtracker and Keyword Discovery.

  42. Another one NOT SEO Expert Says:
    March 19th, 2007 at 2:53 am

    Keyword Search result by
    Overture US
    Singapore SEO Consultant 27/month
    Malaysia SEO expert 0
    SEO expert 2772
    Singapore SEO expert 43 with 501,000 pages

    Singapore SEO Consultant 0
    Malaysia SEO expert 0

    what the point of be top rank when no one is searching the Key word and phases except tp show your potential customers that you can “optimize their site with your desired keyword.” But they won’t know that NO ONE is search for the keyword except themself occasionally to check whether the site is rank TOP!

  43. Jee Says:
    March 19th, 2007 at 10:29 am

    That’s what Larry has been emphasizing… SEO is part of a complete marketing. There are still search engine marketing and offline marketing to penetrate the market.

    In cases like that, a good SEO consultant would probably recommend their client to diversify their marketing effort.

    There are other stuff to concern too. No searches now doesn’t mean no searches in the future. It’s better to start optimizing earlier than to optimize it only when the competition is heated up.

    Branding is always an important stuff. I know they are not much searches about SEO Malaysia or Singapore, but SEO firms in this region can’t afford to slip too far with these keywords if it’s their field.

    Try searching “Malaysia Telecommunication” on Google… this keyword is probably rarely search in Malaysia, but isn’t it a bit embarassing that most prime telecommunication service providers in Malaysia are not seen at the top 1-20 results?

  44. TechMy Says:
    March 19th, 2007 at 3:56 pm

    Hi there, i am just a new S E O player in town.
    My site is no older than this of your post too.

    Good Luck pal.

  45. Larry Lim Says:
    March 19th, 2007 at 5:17 pm

    To Another one NOT SEO Expert,

    Are you sure that nobody finds my website from search engines?

    Because I’m quite certain I’ve gotten a number of business deals, partnership offers and an invitation to speak through search engines.

    Why “Singapore SEO Consultant”? Simple. Because that’s who I am and the service I’m providing. There’s no point in optimizing my site for “Singapore Idol” just because it’s a popular term right?!

    Remember that I mentioned “marketing goal”?

    Having strong rankings give my “freelance” service more credibility than established SEO companies – that’s how I’ve gotten deals over them.

    But it doesn’t stop there. Try searching for:

    – singapore seo services
    – singapore search engine optimization consultant
    – singapore online marketing
    – singapore internet advertising
    – singapore google advertising
    – singapore google adwords
    – withdraw paypal in singapore
    – singapore bank codes
    – singapore internet usage

    … I received traffic for almost 400 search phrases. Btw, I’m also ranked top 50 for “seo consultant” and “seo services” on ;)

    So you see, I don’t quite get your point.

    I don’t claim to be the top SEO expert because I’m still learning too. But I’m sure that serving over 7,000,000 pages/mth, being able to rub shoulders with senior management and having to earn more than managers in MNCs while staying at home must amount to something. ;)

    Also, here’s a tip – keyword tools are not 100% accurate. Only use them in relative terms, i.e. to decide which search phrases to optimize for.

  46. Jee Says:
    March 19th, 2007 at 7:02 pm

    TechMy… I hope you are really qualified to provide SEO services, and not just a new “player.” Good luck.

    Larry… you are right on the keyword tools. I am not sure about Word Tracker, but the figure on Overture for example are not accurate at all… but it’s good to make comparisons though.

  47. Another one NOT SEO Expert Says:
    March 21st, 2007 at 12:00 am

    Well done larry.

    Seo Consultant 24 out of 1,650,000 pages.

    I have a search phases that place me in top 20 out of 39,000,000 pages.

    And I am still think that I am not an SEO expert! Wrong mindset.
    Need some adjustment. ;-(

  48. Another one NOT SEO Expert Says:
    March 21st, 2007 at 12:18 am

    Another Keyphases top 10 out of 121,000,000 pages or competitors as Techmy said in his website.

    I think I should seriously consider set up a SEO and SEM firm for the corporation in my region.

  49. Another one NOT SEO Expert Says:
    March 21st, 2007 at 12:27 am

    To techmy,

    I believe you must have done a great job as two of your customer just bursted their bandwidth.

    Website Title: 509 Bandwidth Limit Exceeded
    Record Type: Domain Name
    Meta Description: Ideal Corporate Gift
    Meta Keywords: corporate gift idea, ideal souvenir, malaysia online shopping
    AboutUs: Wiki article on
    SEO Score: 74%
    Meta Relevance: No terms. Site needs Meta Description.
    Terms: 33 (Unique: 28, Linked: 0)
    Images: 0
    Links: 0

    Website Title: 509 Bandwidth Limit Exceeded
    Record Type: Domain Name
    Meta Description: Welcome to Premium Gift Souvenir (Malaysia) Sdn Bhd, the largest online malaysia gift shop of Premium Gifts Malaysia, we wholesale all corporate gifts, premium gifts, party gifts, sport gifts, company gifts, seasonal gifts and many more, all Malaysia
    Meta Keywords: Corporate Gift Malaysia, Premium Gifts Malaysia, gift souvenir, premium pen, souviner, homepage, malaysia, shopping, online, store, malaysian, gifts, online gift, hadiah, cenderamata
    AboutUs: Wiki article on
    SEO Score: 74%
    Meta Relevance: No terms. Site needs Meta Description.
    Terms: 33 (Unique: 28, Linked: 0)
    Images: 0
    Links: 0

    I suggest you ask them to get a better host.

  50. Jee Says:
    March 21st, 2007 at 12:30 am

    Another one NOT SEO Expert… I smells sarcasm here.

    Honestly, it lies upon the significant of the keywords.

    I have a keyword terms with #1 rank from 73,100,000 results, but the traffic it brings is identical to another keyword terms which I ranked #2 from 1,750,000 results.

    And guess what… each of the keyword terms are bringing just 10-15% more traffic with one of the keyword terms that I ranked #5 in 234,000 results.

    Go figure it out.

  51. Another one NOT SEO Expert Says:
    March 21st, 2007 at 12:48 am

    I found something “interesting” but I will keep it to myself.

    My keyphase is 10 places behind him, our of 39,000,000 pages in Google.

    Lot of work to do in order to catch up.

    Hopefully this is my last post of this SEO matter. And Larry, I must admit you are good because your PR ranking is a little higher than him and mine.

    Warmest Regards,

    P/S. BTW, I am visiting your hometown this week end.

  52. James Says:
    March 22nd, 2007 at 1:02 pm

    Hi Jee,
    looking for me? i am here :)

    well, my opinion is it is a endless competition among the SEO experts or consultants on the ranking, today you rank #1, tomorrow you don’t , and may be one month later you go back to number #1.

    Why spent so much time on this endless competition just to prove ” I am better than other SEO consultant” ? better spend more energy to make the clients get more traffic , enquiries and sales through SEO.


    P/s: Today 22-3-07 I rank #1 for “Singapore SEO” ( and “Malaysia SEO” in . But again, #1 is not everything. The way you conduct business with your clients and make sure their business growing through SEO, should be the PRIMARY OBJECTIVE of all SEO consultants or Experts.
    – dedicated to the “Another one NOT SEO Expert “

  53. Jee Says:
    March 22nd, 2007 at 2:29 pm

    True James… it should be an endless competition, and thus require continuous improvements. I see your point though, as SEO is just part of the whole ‘game plan’.

    Btw, I think I say your company advertisement at TheStar… any luck with the ad?

  54. james Says:
    March 22nd, 2007 at 4:37 pm

    ya, got few, thanks. :)

  55. Larry Lim Says:
    March 28th, 2007 at 11:55 am

    After the lively discussion here, I thought that I’d start a blog since I was revamping my design. It’s not just about SEO and online marketing, but will include my journey as an online entrepreneur.

    It’s a no-holds-barred blog and I will share all the juicy information, even traditionally sensitive ones like how much I make a month. ;)

    For those interested:

  56. Jee Says:
    March 28th, 2007 at 8:15 pm

    Well, good luck with the blog Larry… the URL is a bit long, but I can see what you are up to… every bit helps in SEO afterall.

  57. Another NOT SEO Expert Says:
    April 5th, 2007 at 9:54 am

    Hi James,

    I am 100% agreed with what you said. BTW, I am not in SEO consultancy business, nor did I build website and market for customers yet. Perhaps I should consider venture into this.

    As a marketer by professional, I can only agreed with what you have said, your clients business is more important. What I do not like is people who oversell and under delivery. Besides, there may be a mistaken identity here.

    To all who earnestly provide a High quality service to their customers, I salute you and James, you are one.

  58. Malaysia SEO Specialist Says:
    May 15th, 2007 at 11:02 pm

    to : Another NOT SEO Expert , you are welcomed. I also dare not say I am the top 1 in Malaysia, I just keep learning and keep improving myself for the benefits of my clients and myself.


  59. Badrul Shahruzzaman Says:
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    Definitely I want to know. So please help me.. :)

  60. Jee Says:
    December 27th, 2007 at 2:21 pm

    Badrul… what do you want to know? It would take too much time if I am going to share things from start to finish.

    Besides, this blog is no longer active… I might be closing it pretty soon. Grab your chance while still can ;)

  61. KC Says:
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    I would call myself lucky to read this blog :) and i hope you still around before i make this comment.
    I’ve read your SEO tips for Merapuman, it’s very helpful and I’m trying to apply them to my website.
    Do you mind if I contact you for further information?

  62. Jee Says:
    February 18th, 2008 at 4:54 pm

    KC… you are welcome to contact me.

    SEO is ever changing topic, some of the tips I gave Merapuman might not be applicable anymore.

    This blog is no longer updated, you can still find me at my new site anyway…

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    I agree with you. Many seo company try to help people to get top ranking with a keyword and yet getting top ranking with the keyword is one things. According to the research of mine, i found some of the website get higher ranking with a keyword with very low search traffics.

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